One Shot: The Dark Masterpiece of Nine Inch Nails Closer

00:00:00:00 - 00:00:08:29 Speaker 1 Hey, everyone, welcome back to Rewind and React. We're here with another episode of One Shot, our series where we zero in on just one music video. 00:00:09:14 - 00:00:19:04 Speaker 2 instead of running through an artist whole catalog, we pick a single video that stood out, made an impact, or just deserves a closer look. 00:00:19:04 - 00:00:27:24 Speaker 1 That's right Rob. And for today's one shot we are taking a look at 1990 four's closer music video by Nine Inch Nails. 00:00:27:26 - 00:00:34:05 Speaker 2 That's right I did a little foreshadowing there. And the intro. Oh you did. That's what great writers do. 00:00:34:05 - 00:01:05:23 Speaker 2 Closer by Nine Inch Nails plays out like a decade real found in a medical museum with flickering titles, jumpy, hand-cranked motion, and snapshots of Trent Reznor in S&M bondage laboratory jars, forceps, skeletons, a mechanically beating heart, insects and other animals in what looks like a crude scientific research facility, the editing ticks in rhythm, with the song's mechanical pulse cutting between fetish anatomy and sacrilegious themes. 00:01:05:23 - 00:01:13:18 Speaker 2 closer turned a radio unfriendly lyric into a mainstream cultural event. By making the images hook people in 00:01:13:18 - 00:01:17:07 Speaker 2 as a carefully curated museum of taboo. 00:01:17:07 - 00:01:18:21 Speaker 1 And that's right, Rob, and 00:01:18:21 - 00:01:23:06 Speaker 1 you're going to ask when I actually saw the music video for the first time and I'll answer that question. 00:01:23:06 - 00:01:31:06 Speaker 1 this recording might be the first time I've seen the whole music video all the way through. So I again didn't have MTV back in the 90s. 00:01:31:09 - 00:01:44:18 Speaker 1 I've heard about the video. I always heard the song on the radio. I've seen maybe bits and pieces, but I've actually never sat down and watched the whole video. And even more so like the the original version. Now I know MTV had like an edit there. 00:01:44:18 - 00:01:45:11 Speaker 1 So 00:01:45:11 - 00:01:50:03 Speaker 1 I've never really actually even seen the edited version. I've only really seen this version. 00:01:50:05 - 00:01:52:19 Speaker 2 Oh well. Yes. Yeah. When MTV first aired it, 00:01:52:19 - 00:01:54:07 Speaker 2 the heavily edited it. 00:01:54:07 - 00:01:56:02 Speaker 2 so what you saw there were a lot of 00:01:56:02 - 00:02:00:28 Speaker 2 scenes that they just took out and put a blank card that said scene missing. 00:02:00:28 - 00:02:01:19 Speaker 2 There's a lot of, 00:02:01:19 - 00:02:02:25 Speaker 2 just slapping the 00:02:02:25 - 00:02:10:19 Speaker 2 censor bar over something or other, but the scene missing titles actually almost made it creepier, if that's if that makes any sense. 00:02:10:19 - 00:02:14:22 Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're left to your imagination, I guess. 00:02:14:25 - 00:02:15:25 Speaker 2 Yeah, exactly. 00:02:15:25 - 00:02:22:28 Speaker 2 it looks like something was intentionally taken out right? Like from the original footage that they found, you know. Yeah. 00:02:22:28 - 00:02:27:22 Speaker 1 And, you know, 1994. So this was prime for you to watch it as a kid? 00:02:27:22 - 00:02:28:18 Speaker 1 I can only imagine, 00:02:28:18 - 00:02:33:22 Speaker 1 if I was a parent walking in and this video was on even the edited version, I'm like, well, we got to get rid of MTV. 00:02:33:23 - 00:02:34:14 Speaker 2 Cause. 00:02:34:17 - 00:02:36:25 Speaker 1 It's got it's it's a creepy one, right? 00:02:36:28 - 00:02:43:28 Speaker 2 Oh, absolutely. I mean, even in the censored version, there are things like the spinning pig head and, 00:02:44:05 - 00:02:46:22 Speaker 2 the censor out some of the nudity, but, 00:02:46:22 - 00:02:51:10 Speaker 2 it's it's still there enough. And it's so creepy the kind of nudity that they have in there, like 00:02:51:10 - 00:02:52:11 Speaker 2 the woman who's, 00:02:52:11 - 00:02:53:00 Speaker 2 wearing the 00:02:53:00 - 00:02:54:22 Speaker 2 what is, like, a bull horn. 00:02:54:22 - 00:02:56:02 Speaker 1 Yeah, it's kind of, 00:02:56:02 - 00:02:57:01 Speaker 1 skull. Yeah. 00:02:57:04 - 00:02:59:02 Speaker 2 Yeah, it's still very creepy. 00:02:59:02 - 00:03:04:14 Speaker 2 But you know what MTV objected to the most was the monkey. 00:03:04:14 - 00:03:06:20 Speaker 2 They have a monkey on a crucifix. 00:03:06:20 - 00:03:12:22 Speaker 2 That was that was the big thing that, like, really turned them away. And they were originally saying, we can't hear this at all. 00:03:12:22 - 00:03:16:09 Speaker 2 Then they, you know, the director went back is like, all right, we can make this work. 00:03:16:09 - 00:03:18:09 Speaker 2 You know? 00:03:18:09 - 00:03:36:12 Speaker 1 And it's funny because reading about it at the time, Playboy had a music video segment, and that's when, you know, a lot of these bands could play their unedited music videos. And I think the original version of closer appeared on whatever the TV show for Playboy Channel at the time had it on, and you can watch the full video there. 00:03:36:12 - 00:03:38:20 Speaker 1 Of course. Late night, 10:00 probably. 00:03:38:23 - 00:03:43:10 Speaker 2 Oh, and you said Playboy had a video section. I was like in the magazine. What? 00:03:43:10 - 00:03:50:23 Speaker 2 what a weird medium from music videos like a magazine or a podcast where you can't see him like that. Yeah, yeah, I'd be crazy. 00:03:50:23 - 00:03:54:22 Speaker 1 To do that this day and age, but some people try. 00:03:54:22 - 00:04:03:23 Speaker 1 Yeah. So, you know, there's a lot of imagery here. What did you think, I guess, when you saw it? I guess as a kid you mentioned that already, but maybe even now when you rewatched it, 00:04:03:23 - 00:04:05:11 Speaker 1 decades later. 00:04:05:13 - 00:04:07:21 Speaker 2 So as a kid, it had a 00:04:07:21 - 00:04:09:19 Speaker 2 where I went with it was like a big, 00:04:09:19 - 00:04:12:02 Speaker 2 Frankenstein laboratory vibe, you know, 00:04:12:02 - 00:04:13:07 Speaker 2 experiments of the, 00:04:13:07 - 00:04:17:10 Speaker 2 weird and supernatural. What? It kind of gave me the impression of, 00:04:17:10 - 00:04:19:03 Speaker 2 watching it. Now, 00:04:19:03 - 00:04:24:26 Speaker 2 it's less unsanctioned scientific research and more 00:04:24:26 - 00:04:27:29 Speaker 2 sanctioned underground research, if that makes sense, because they have the, 00:04:27:29 - 00:04:31:22 Speaker 2 the panel of old bald men. 00:04:31:24 - 00:04:39:11 Speaker 2 Yeah. They were like, you know, clearly observing these things. So it's like, okay, we're in some kind of, you know, area 51 or, 00:04:39:11 - 00:04:43:27 Speaker 2 military bunker that they're doing these crazy experiments on. 00:04:43:27 - 00:04:44:28 Speaker 1 You know, we got to. 00:04:45:00 - 00:04:48:08 Speaker 2 Beat the Germans to figure this thing out kind of by. 00:04:48:22 - 00:04:49:19 Speaker 1 Yeah. You're right. 00:04:49:19 - 00:04:56:26 Speaker 1 And it's got a lot going on visually, and it has a lot of those, like you mentioned, kind of laboratory themes. 00:04:56:26 - 00:05:06:13 Speaker 1 Just to mention, this is director Mark Romanek who did another video. We've covered, The Perfect Drug again by Nine Inch Nails. He's done 99 problems. Fly Away hurt. 00:05:06:13 - 00:05:08:00 Speaker 1 A ton of music videos. 00:05:08:03 - 00:05:15:05 Speaker 1 And he's really known also for like, pulling in a lot of inspiration, I should say, or references or 00:05:15:05 - 00:05:15:11 Speaker 1 this. 00:05:15:11 - 00:05:28:01 Speaker 1 And he pulls it into his videos, which really work for the time. And this is a big example of it, because there's a ton of references here, a lot that I don't know, but for example, 00:05:28:01 - 00:05:41:06 Speaker 1 there's a photographer, Joel Peter Witkin, who's done a lot of this kind of macabre style photography. There's a short stop motion film by the Coen brothers called Streets of Crocodiles, 00:05:41:06 - 00:05:44:21 Speaker 1 which is a fun watch, actually, I watched it as part of researching this. 00:05:44:27 - 00:05:46:12 Speaker 1 You can find it on Vimeo, but, 00:05:46:12 - 00:06:01:05 Speaker 1 a lot of those motifs, like he's pulling in all these references and some of them make sense to me. Some of them don't. And I think that's part of his process, too, is just like, what do I really like? Like the naked lady with the egg spinning is a reference to some painting from 00:06:01:05 - 00:06:04:09 Speaker 1 the 20th century that probably most people haven't heard of. 00:06:04:11 - 00:06:07:28 Speaker 1 There's a Francis Bacon piece of art that the 00:06:07:28 - 00:06:17:19 Speaker 1 Slaughtered Cow, I guess is a reference to. So you get a lot of those references and then, you know, you get like the spinning pig head, which doesn't reference anything previously. I think it's more of a, 00:06:17:19 - 00:06:23:26 Speaker 1 in the behind the scenes, he says. It's like a reference to the the theme of the album had a pig theme to it, so they threw that in. 00:06:23:26 - 00:06:32:04 Speaker 1 So yeah, you get a lot of stuff thrown at you that some make sense to, some doesn't. And you're in this laboratory watching it all. 00:06:32:06 - 00:06:32:19 Speaker 2 Yeah. 00:06:32:19 - 00:06:36:14 Speaker 2 The Francis Bacon one meat and mortality was, what it was called. 00:06:36:14 - 00:06:40:15 Speaker 2 What a great name to do. Meat art. Yes. 00:06:40:15 - 00:06:42:00 Speaker 2 Yeah. The pig head. 00:06:42:00 - 00:06:42:15 Speaker 2 So, yeah, 00:06:42:15 - 00:06:44:29 Speaker 2 It is kind of a theme throughout this album. This is the, 00:06:44:29 - 00:06:51:10 Speaker 2 Downward Spiral album, and it had March of the Pigs and Piggy were other hit songs on it. 00:06:51:10 - 00:06:56:23 Speaker 2 the album had a Humans Are Pigs theme. I that's the the simplest way I could say it. 00:06:56:23 - 00:06:57:25 Speaker 2 But yeah, 00:06:57:25 - 00:07:09:21 Speaker 2 You mentioned something that's really cool is like this video, unlike a lot of the other ones we've done, doesn't have any kind of narrative to it. It's just kind of like a gallery, like the, like I said, a museum of taboo Things, 00:07:09:21 - 00:07:13:25 Speaker 2 which made it that much cooler, I think, because 00:07:13:25 - 00:07:17:10 Speaker 2 it wasn't telling a story, but it was letting you create the story with your own mind. 00:07:17:10 - 00:07:33:23 Speaker 1 actually, I want to take a step back because you mentioned the downward spiral. So a little bit of backstory for this album. It is a story about a man who's going on a downward spiral. He he's like, he's detaching from reality, society. He's doing all these things that are self-destructive. 00:07:33:23 - 00:07:35:24 Speaker 1 And that's the journey of the album. 00:07:35:24 - 00:07:37:03 Speaker 1 And this song, 00:07:37:03 - 00:07:40:18 Speaker 1 as you probably saw in your research, it's actually not about, 00:07:40:18 - 00:07:48:26 Speaker 1 any sex or erotic themes. It's really about self-destruction. And so Trent came out with this song and 00:07:48:26 - 00:07:56:04 Speaker 1 the people's reaction were the opposite of what he thought it was going to be. He thought it was really just kind of this, this self-destructive song. 00:07:56:07 - 00:07:57:03 Speaker 1 And people 00:07:57:03 - 00:08:13:25 Speaker 1 rated as, like one of the top sexy songs and one of the love songs and all this stuff, which is kind of ironic to see that because it's such a different narrative from what he created the album for, and then what we saw in the video, because there are some sexy themes. I mean, he sings to a microphone that looks like a nipple, 00:08:13:25 - 00:08:19:14 Speaker 1 you get images of vaginas, you get naked people, you get him in S&M gear, 00:08:19:14 - 00:08:20:26 Speaker 1 being tied up and things like that. 00:08:20:26 - 00:08:27:06 Speaker 1 So the, the video kind of is counter to some of those ideas he had for the song. 00:08:27:06 - 00:08:30:22 Speaker 2 Yeah. A lot of really cool, like, vignettes that we see. 00:08:30:22 - 00:08:37:19 Speaker 2 I do remember as a kid seeing him in, like, the S&M goggles and thinking like, oh, those are so cool. 00:08:37:19 - 00:08:46:06 Speaker 2 I did not understand what they were at the time, but yeah, like, yeah, such cool visuals in this video. 00:08:46:08 - 00:08:52:22 Speaker 2 I don't know if you've seen this movie. It came out a few years later, but House and Haunted Hill with Geoffrey Rush. 00:08:52:22 - 00:08:53:11 Speaker 2 Geoffrey Rush and, 00:08:53:11 - 00:08:55:00 Speaker 2 Famke Janssen. 00:08:55:00 - 00:09:09:04 Speaker 2 So they're in this movie called House on Haunted Hill. It came out a few years after this, and it certainly borrowed from this video, which, you know, obviously borrowed from some other things. But at one point they go down to the basement and there's like these weird, 00:09:09:04 - 00:09:22:27 Speaker 2 visuals. I can't it's been a while since I've seen the movie, but they had the same kind of medical lab or research lab where they're doing these little vignettes of, like, weird things, you know, experimentation and stuff like that. 00:09:23:00 - 00:09:26:26 Speaker 2 Almost like a Lovecraftian, like. Yeah, laboratory. 00:09:26:26 - 00:09:31:14 Speaker 2 And yeah, certainly seem to borrow from this video a lot. 00:09:31:17 - 00:09:31:28 Speaker 1 Yeah, 00:09:31:28 - 00:09:48:16 Speaker 1 and there's a so a couple of behind the scenes videos you can find online. One is about a 30 minute behind the scenes footage with a voiceover by Mark Romanek, the director, talking about his ideas for things. One of the things he said in that video is like, I want it to look old timey, but I also wanted to keep it modern. 00:09:48:16 - 00:09:57:28 Speaker 1 So that's why at the beginning you see a TV and a telephone, so you kind of ground you in that reality that this is happening, but not that long ago, 00:09:57:28 - 00:09:59:00 Speaker 1 which I thought was a cool, 00:09:59:00 - 00:10:02:09 Speaker 1 addition to the video, even though you only see it briefly at the beginning. 00:10:02:12 - 00:10:07:06 Speaker 2 Yeah. I saw somebody else buy him where he talks about how they shot it. 00:10:07:06 - 00:10:20:05 Speaker 2 They use hand-cranked 1920s cameras to film this and like, kind of these, like, vintage lenses to get what he calls seductive ugliness, which I don't think term that he used, but, 00:10:20:05 - 00:10:22:28 Speaker 2 yeah, the, the nature of it that, 00:10:22:28 - 00:10:30:03 Speaker 2 almost like I don't want to use the word for the word vaudeville, but this early cinema, 00:10:30:03 - 00:10:34:06 Speaker 2 Nickelodeon kind of like animation, not animation, but, 00:10:34:06 - 00:10:36:17 Speaker 2 frame rate, I guess we'll call it. 00:10:36:17 - 00:10:36:25 Speaker 2 Yeah. 00:10:36:25 - 00:10:45:06 Speaker 2 And that almost made it creepier. Like, it wasn't all consistent. Like things would slow down that speed up for a song that has such a driving pulse. 00:10:45:06 - 00:10:49:02 Speaker 2 But which we see at the very beginning with the heartbeat of, like, the mechanical heart. 00:10:49:20 - 00:10:53:07 Speaker 1 It's cool because and it starts kind of like a movie right. Like you get a 00:10:53:07 - 00:10:56:29 Speaker 1 little credit and then it goes like countdown to two one and then we get 00:10:56:29 - 00:11:03:22 Speaker 1 the focus on the heart. And what a cool way to visualize that drum beat I guess that the drum beat 00:11:03:22 - 00:11:06:07 Speaker 1 maybe whatever that beat is. 00:11:06:09 - 00:11:08:27 Speaker 1 But like just the beating heart pulsing and 00:11:08:27 - 00:11:15:28 Speaker 1 beating air. And it's a very practical video in the behind the scenes, you can see there's like three guys behind the wall blowing into it and 00:11:15:28 - 00:11:31:18 Speaker 1 shooting compressed air to give it that effect, which was really cool. But then, yeah, it bleeds into all this imagery. So it does hook you at the beginning, especially not just with that imagery, but like you said, the frame rate, the color, the old timey camera effect. 00:11:31:21 - 00:11:32:15 Speaker 2 Yeah. 00:11:32:15 - 00:11:36:27 Speaker 2 it pulls you out of the 1990s, which, you know, when it came out. And 00:11:36:27 - 00:11:39:23 Speaker 2 it's a period piece. 00:11:39:23 - 00:11:41:16 Speaker 1 You're right. And 00:11:41:16 - 00:11:59:15 Speaker 1 again, it's a hodgepodge of different things because Trent is floating in some scenes like he's just hanging there sometimes looking up, sometimes it's like playing a piano. And again, it's interesting to see what the different ideas they had for this video because none of that makes sense. 00:11:59:15 - 00:12:01:12 Speaker 1 And this video doesn't have to make sense. 00:12:01:12 - 00:12:09:01 Speaker 1 It it feels like and I think Mark mentioned this. He's like, I wanted to make sure it doesn't seem like I was like, this is my passion arthouse project that I just 00:12:09:01 - 00:12:15:05 Speaker 1 put into a music video. But Trent was all on board with with what he was pitching. But it does have that feel of 00:12:15:05 - 00:12:22:05 Speaker 1 what kind of weird stuff can you put in if you're like a college film student that looks but it makes sense with the video. 00:12:22:07 - 00:12:28:09 Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, the effects that they did, you mentioned that, you know, he was like rotating or floating at some point. 00:12:28:09 - 00:12:36:06 Speaker 2 it was it was fun. I really like the, the effects, like the twirling eggs. I question how they did it. Was that in the behind the scenes. 00:12:36:09 - 00:12:42:29 Speaker 1 They didn't show the twirling eggs, but the the floating was wires. So they just kind of, I guess, edited out of the wires. 00:12:43:01 - 00:12:46:04 Speaker 2 I did read a little bit about the wires. 00:12:46:04 - 00:12:46:12 Speaker 2 The, 00:12:46:12 - 00:12:48:28 Speaker 2 Roman mentioned that Reznor was, 00:12:48:28 - 00:12:55:08 Speaker 2 almost vomiting at one point because it just kept spinning around. You never complained, but we could see, like something was about to come out. 00:12:55:08 - 00:12:59:09 Speaker 2 This was unlike anything on mainstream television at the time. 00:12:59:09 - 00:13:04:04 Speaker 2 There was no other videos that were like this. This was like pushing the boundaries of everything, 00:13:04:04 - 00:13:08:09 Speaker 2 which is really cool to know that it got recently, 00:13:08:09 - 00:13:13:17 Speaker 2 inducted into the permanent collection of the museum of Modern Art in New York City. 00:13:13:19 - 00:13:15:28 Speaker 1 Oh, that's pretty cool. 00:13:15:28 - 00:13:24:06 Speaker 1 so I want to go into some of the visuals because, again, there's a lot going on in some you can understand, like the scientist, one of the science, one of the, 00:13:24:06 - 00:13:28:27 Speaker 1 I guess one of the scientist or the examiners is the set designer. 00:13:28:27 - 00:13:35:25 Speaker 1 And Mark wanted to bring him in because he's like Tom Farden, who's the set designer, is he's he's really good on film, and I really wanted to put him in it. 00:13:35:25 - 00:13:38:02 Speaker 1 So he's like the bald guy. You see him in a couple of the shots as 00:13:38:02 - 00:13:44:26 Speaker 1 the creepy looking scientist. So I get some of that imagery. I don't know if I understand some of the like, 00:13:44:26 - 00:13:52:25 Speaker 1 religious Christian imagery. I mean, I get the mask with the cross. I don't know if that's a reference to anything or if that's just kind of something that they put together. 00:13:52:25 - 00:13:59:20 Speaker 2 You know, I, I made a little note. It's this whole thing is just images that blur sex, science and sin together. 00:13:59:20 - 00:14:03:02 Speaker 2 like you said, like this downward spiral that this guy's going through. 00:14:03:02 - 00:14:09:07 Speaker 2 You know, it's probably something he would think about if he was religious. Is like, the things that he starts doing are certainly. 00:14:09:07 - 00:14:19:05 Speaker 2 Yeah. Then. Right. And so that's where I kind of drew the lines from that. You know, he's just going down, down the downward spiral. 00:14:19:08 - 00:14:19:26 Speaker 1 That's a good point. 00:14:19:26 - 00:14:22:23 Speaker 1 I never really I guess connected those dots. But 00:14:22:23 - 00:14:26:27 Speaker 1 that that's an excellent point. I think Trent's holding the seashell. 00:14:26:27 - 00:14:36:01 Speaker 1 that's like a reference to the downward spiral. So I got that. There's a picture next to the monkey on the crucifix of Jack Nicholson. 00:14:36:03 - 00:14:37:10 Speaker 2 I don't know. 00:14:37:17 - 00:14:48:05 Speaker 1 Where that comes in or if it's just like the monkeys kind of screaming like he is or, you know, psycho came out when he flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. Maybe it's like a reference to that, but did you have any thoughts there? 00:14:48:08 - 00:14:51:03 Speaker 2 I you know, I tried to figure out why they use that. 00:14:51:03 - 00:14:55:12 Speaker 2 I'm at a loss. I don't know, it's such a weird thing to put in there. 00:14:55:12 - 00:14:58:28 Speaker 2 I mean, Batman, Joker. I don't know, I mean. 00:14:59:00 - 00:14:59:28 Speaker 1 Yeah, I mean, he 00:14:59:28 - 00:15:05:00 Speaker 1 does have a personality, so I guess maybe they just found a photo they really liked and went with it. 00:15:05:00 - 00:15:17:25 Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah. One thing and I'm going to hop back. So I think watching the video, everything was cool and engaging. I only had one surprise and it's when the head under the table opened the eyes, because 00:15:17:25 - 00:15:24:26 Speaker 1 Until then, you're just like, oh, there's just some head on a table with a bunch of fruit and bugs. And then when it opens its eyes, I think, whoa, this is cool. 00:15:25:17 - 00:15:51:09 Speaker 2 Yeah, I think that kind of hails back to the Frankenstein thing and was talking about where if I had to interpret all of this together as what's going on, especially with the all the bald men like observing it. They're doing these experiments in a Frankenstein manner. And, you know, obviously bringing somebody bring a hat back to life would be within the realms of Frankenstein. 00:15:51:09 - 00:15:53:26 Speaker 2 Have you ever seen the men who stare at goats? 00:15:54:06 - 00:16:15:02 Speaker 2 You know, it's just these weird things that the government or the military was trying to be there before the Nazis or, you know, the Russians. You know, we got to be the first to figure this thing out. And obviously, some of these things never panned out for anybody. But, you know, you never know if you don't try. Just like the nuclear bomb. 00:16:15:04 - 00:16:16:02 Speaker 1 Yeah. Yeah. You're right. 00:16:16:02 - 00:16:30:10 Speaker 1 Also, silly enough, I was I watched it and I saw the head, eyes open. I was like, oh, that's a cool effect. I wonder how they do that. And of course, you watch the behind the scenes and it's just it is Trent Reznor in makeup and he's under a table and his head is sitting there and he just opened it up. 00:16:30:12 - 00:16:37:14 Speaker 1 And it makes so much sense when you think about it. But I was just watching it. I was like, oh, that's such a cool little effect. I wonder if that's like an animatronic or something. 00:16:37:16 - 00:16:39:08 Speaker 2 Practical effects. 00:16:39:08 - 00:16:42:22 Speaker 1 sometimes the simplest things work. 00:16:42:25 - 00:16:43:29 Speaker 2 You know, I mentioned that he, 00:16:43:29 - 00:16:46:07 Speaker 2 was almost vomiting during the floating scene. 00:16:46:07 - 00:16:47:09 Speaker 2 A reason for that. 00:16:47:09 - 00:16:49:09 Speaker 2 You know, we talked about Francis Bacon's, 00:16:49:09 - 00:16:53:15 Speaker 2 meat and mortality. So they put a lot of, like, meat all around. 00:16:53:15 - 00:16:59:23 Speaker 2 It was rotting meat. They got it for a deal. So they got a bunch of rotting meat and use that for this. 00:16:59:23 - 00:17:02:25 Speaker 2 So I'm sure the smell wasn't great in this, entire 00:17:02:25 - 00:17:03:28 Speaker 2 video shoot. 00:17:03:28 - 00:17:05:26 Speaker 1 yeah, it would be awful to be on set. 00:17:05:26 - 00:17:11:10 Speaker 2 During your you got giant bugs crawling around. 00:17:11:12 - 00:17:21:01 Speaker 1 Yeah. Cool thing about the bugs I saw on the behind the scenes is they freeze them or get them close to frozen, I guess. And then they let them thaw. And so when they thought, they start moving around, in a 00:17:21:01 - 00:17:28:18 Speaker 1 Mark said that it helps the bugs not run away quickly so you can actually film a good shot because they're not going to, like, run off. 00:17:28:20 - 00:17:36:10 Speaker 2 That's so funny because they made such a big deal about the monkey not being hurt during the filming this, like, but we could just freeze the bugs. 00:17:36:12 - 00:17:40:15 Speaker 1 Well, yeah. I mean, yeah, no one, no one likes bugs, I guess. 00:17:40:23 - 00:17:42:25 Speaker 2 Yeah. What? What's the animal one for? 00:17:42:25 - 00:17:44:00 Speaker 2 Movies? 00:17:44:02 - 00:17:45:16 Speaker 1 Asuka. Asuka? 00:17:45:19 - 00:17:50:13 Speaker 2 Yeah. They weren't. They weren't on set for this. It doesn't sound like exactly. 00:17:50:13 - 00:17:59:14 Speaker 1 A couple other references that I learned from the behind the scenes is the scene where Trent, at the end, when he's playing the piano against the wall, 00:17:59:14 - 00:18:04:07 Speaker 1 he referenced 2001 A Space Odyssey, and he was kind of inspired by the scene 00:18:04:07 - 00:18:13:27 Speaker 1 where the guy is disconnecting how slowly and, like, floating through space. So he had a lot of, again, Mark gets a lot of inspiration and uses it in his videos from everywhere. 00:18:14:00 - 00:18:18:19 Speaker 1 But it was it was something I watched and I was like, I would have never thought 2001 Space Odyssey. 00:18:18:21 - 00:18:23:03 Speaker 2 I can't give this video. Absolutely not. No. 00:18:23:03 - 00:18:42:04 Speaker 1 so there's a four hour and 20 minute behind the scenes footage of this, and it's literally just basically the stock footage of them recording it. So what Mark's 30 minute video is, is taken from this, except where there's no voiceover in this four hour and 20 minute video. So if you're a true fan, I guess, 00:18:42:04 - 00:18:43:11 Speaker 1 you can watch this. 00:18:43:11 - 00:18:45:11 Speaker 1 I don't know why, but, 00:18:45:11 - 00:18:49:11 Speaker 1 would be something to get really big insight into this three day shoot. 00:18:49:14 - 00:18:50:24 Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah, I guess if you're, 00:18:50:24 - 00:18:59:06 Speaker 2 budding director, you know, it's cool to see how they did certain things that. Yeah, I saw that. And I was like, let's do long. 00:18:59:09 - 00:19:00:03 Speaker 1 Exactly. 00:19:00:03 - 00:19:11:20 Speaker 1 And then one other kind of cool effect I wanted to mention is the burning film because, you know, you see that in Fight Club years later, but like, you're watching this film reel and then when it's blowing the air on his face and then it kind of stops and then 00:19:11:20 - 00:19:13:19 Speaker 1 the film burns. It's, 00:19:13:19 - 00:19:15:06 Speaker 1 again, it's an effect that you weren't expecting. 00:19:15:06 - 00:19:18:06 Speaker 1 You don't see often. And it really works in this video. 00:19:18:08 - 00:19:19:29 Speaker 2 Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. 00:19:19:29 - 00:19:28:18 Speaker 2 it adds to that antiquity of it. And, you know, this is this video that we've found is so old that it's, 00:19:28:18 - 00:19:30:28 Speaker 2 literally burning as we watch it. 00:19:30:28 - 00:19:34:03 Speaker 2 But it also gives you, like, that surreal. 00:19:34:03 - 00:19:37:08 Speaker 2 did he burn the film with what they were doing to him? 00:19:37:08 - 00:19:40:21 Speaker 2 Like, you know, is it like a supernatural thing? So yeah. 00:19:40:24 - 00:19:42:17 Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, definitely. 00:19:42:17 - 00:19:48:23 Speaker 1 this video really Nine Inch Nails was around. But I think this set off, especially in the early 90s, that industrial. 00:19:48:23 - 00:19:50:05 Speaker 2 Rock. 00:19:50:07 - 00:20:05:04 Speaker 1 Kind of music scene that really Nine Inch Nails is Trent doesn't consider himself industrial rock, but there's a lot of those elements into this. And, it really made them pretty famous in like the main pop sphere, 00:20:05:04 - 00:20:10:01 Speaker 1 especially with just the song by itself. But then the added video really helped. 00:20:10:04 - 00:20:30:06 Speaker 2 Yeah, you know, it. Maybe we should have done a Nine Inch Nails episode because there other video that we did the Perfect Drug also probably, I think probably the best video of that year and this one for 94, I think it's got to be up there. It probably was the best video of this year. So yeah, they, they put out 00:20:30:06 - 00:20:30:23 Speaker 2 but 00:20:30:23 - 00:20:34:22 Speaker 2 Romanek and Reznor have put out some great stuff together. 00:20:34:24 - 00:20:43:10 Speaker 2 So much so that Closer by Nine Inch Nails was voted the greatest music video of all time. In a 2006 VH one poll. 00:20:43:10 - 00:20:43:24 Speaker 2 So yeah, 00:20:43:24 - 00:20:46:11 Speaker 2 it got some fans out there for this video. 00:20:46:11 - 00:20:49:05 Speaker 1 We'll probably do a Nine Inch Nails episode one day. 00:20:49:05 - 00:20:51:08 Speaker 1 Anything else you have to say about the video? 00:20:51:11 - 00:20:51:26 Speaker 2 No, just 00:20:51:26 - 00:20:55:05 Speaker 2 what a gem that we got from the 90s here. 00:20:55:05 - 00:20:59:00 Speaker 1 And a trend. Still making music. So mostly film scores these days. But, 00:20:59:00 - 00:21:00:16 Speaker 1 he's doing what he loves. 00:21:00:18 - 00:21:02:07 Speaker 2 Yeah, well, we should probably mention, 00:21:02:07 - 00:21:05:23 Speaker 2 nice. Nils is going on tour. They're about to start here. 00:21:05:23 - 00:21:16:19 Speaker 2 they've not been on tour for a long time. They were planning one. But then, of course, Covid happened, and they had to cancel their entire tour. So. Yeah, pull it back. Tour is happening. 00:21:16:19 - 00:21:19:09 Speaker 2 I've heard nothing but great things about their concerts. 00:21:19:09 - 00:21:24:02 Speaker 2 I've never seen them, but, I mean, and then somehow I'm talking to somebody and, 00:21:24:02 - 00:21:32:11 Speaker 2 we talk about concerts and they're like, I'll tell you what. I saw Nine Inch Nails back in 2005 or something like that and just rave about it. So 00:21:32:21 - 00:21:35:18 Speaker 1 Yeah, we'll have to go. We'll have to check them out for sure, because that would be fun. 00:21:36:04 - 00:21:38:16 Speaker 1 Well, Rob, you know what time it is. 00:21:38:18 - 00:21:41:17 Speaker 2 Oh, what time is it? Trivia time. 00:21:41:18 - 00:21:49:24 Speaker 1 Okay, we're back to our favorite trivia game, where I have two artists, and I'm going to give you a fact and you have to name between the two artists. 00:21:50:00 - 00:21:50:19 Speaker 2 Okay. 00:21:50:19 - 00:21:53:15 Speaker 1 for today's episode, we're going to have two, 00:21:53:15 - 00:21:58:08 Speaker 1 three word band names. We have Nine Inch Nails or Black Eyed Peas. 00:21:58:10 - 00:21:59:29 Speaker 2 Okay. All right. Yeah. 00:22:00:07 - 00:22:03:02 Speaker 1 So good mix both band that are popular 00:22:03:02 - 00:22:04:23 Speaker 1 groups that have been around. 00:22:04:23 - 00:22:07:28 Speaker 1 So I'm going to ask you a handful of questions and, 00:22:07:28 - 00:22:12:12 Speaker 1 I guess we'll start a little. I'll make some of the easy and the hard ones in so we don't get progressively hard, but, 00:22:12:12 - 00:22:17:06 Speaker 1 I think you know enough about both of them, probably that this should hopefully be a good one. 00:22:17:08 - 00:22:22:18 Speaker 2 And they're so different. I feel like I should knock this one out of the park, but we'll see. Yeah, yeah. 00:22:22:20 - 00:22:26:18 Speaker 1 So which group was originally founded in Cleveland, Ohio? 00:22:26:18 - 00:22:27:17 Speaker 2 Oh. 00:22:27:20 - 00:22:28:28 Speaker 1 Oh my gosh. Maybe I started too hard. 00:22:29:00 - 00:22:31:29 Speaker 2 Then I'm going to go Nine Inch Nails. 00:22:32:02 - 00:22:33:07 Speaker 1 Yes you're right by, 00:22:33:07 - 00:22:35:11 Speaker 1 Trent Reznor in 1988. 00:22:35:14 - 00:22:36:22 Speaker 2 All right. 00:22:36:22 - 00:22:43:00 Speaker 2 I seen early Nine Inch Nails videos. They're like, but they're performing. It's pretty funny. It's not. 00:22:43:06 - 00:22:51:21 Speaker 1 You know, it's funny because the band he was in before Nine Inch Nails and he even early Nine Inch Nails has a lot of like 80 synth pop feel to it and sound. 00:22:51:21 - 00:22:59:07 Speaker 1 And then he really like, embraced kind of the digital way of making music, I guess, and like shifted it into what he does nowadays. 00:22:59:09 - 00:23:03:26 Speaker 2 Okay. You know, I guess I've seen his earlier band before, Nine Inch Nails, where he's like the keyboard, keyboards 00:23:03:26 - 00:23:07:01 Speaker 2 and yeah, got The Flock of Seagulls hair. 00:23:07:03 - 00:23:09:07 Speaker 1 Yes, exactly. Yeah. Your style. Yeah. 00:23:09:10 - 00:23:09:18 Speaker 2 Yeah. 00:23:09:18 - 00:23:16:27 Speaker 1 All right, so this one should be easy. What? Groups? Music blends hip hop, R&B and dance and has sold over 80 million records worldwide. 00:23:17:02 - 00:23:18:25 Speaker 2 That'd be the Black Eyed Peas. 00:23:18:27 - 00:23:33:04 Speaker 1 Nice. Good job. Which group once got mistakenly investigated by the FBI? Because a balloon camera from their music video drifted away. 00:23:33:07 - 00:23:36:16 Speaker 2 That's. That. Sounds like it's got to be Black Eyed Peas. 00:23:36:18 - 00:23:37:27 Speaker 1 And is actually Nine Inch Nails. 00:23:37:29 - 00:23:38:23 Speaker 2 Oh interesting. 00:23:38:27 - 00:23:41:06 Speaker 1 The down in It video. Yeah. 00:23:41:06 - 00:23:47:21 Speaker 1 I guess had a balloon camera mishap and I guess the FBI came out to investigate. 00:23:47:21 - 00:23:53:02 Speaker 1 Which band has earned a Grammy for the song wish? 00:23:53:04 - 00:23:58:18 Speaker 2 Oh, man, I don't know that song, but I'm guessing it's Nine Inch Nails. 00:23:58:21 - 00:23:59:13 Speaker 1 You are right. 00:23:59:13 - 00:24:04:28 Speaker 1 Broken EP debuted at number seven, and which won the Grammy for Best Metal Performance. 00:24:05:01 - 00:24:07:02 Speaker 2 When was that? 00:24:07:05 - 00:24:15:18 Speaker 1 Didn't tell me, but I assume broken AP must be early. It's probably early 90s, but, you know, I have to fact check that 92. 00:24:15:18 - 00:24:17:09 Speaker 2 Okay. Yeah, yeah. 00:24:17:11 - 00:24:24:15 Speaker 1 Which group's name came from the last letter of the members first names? 00:24:24:17 - 00:24:30:10 Speaker 2 The the last letters of the members, first names that we said. Yep. 00:24:30:10 - 00:24:32:25 Speaker 2 Well, it's got to be black eyed peas. Yes. 00:24:32:25 - 00:24:35:08 Speaker 1 Yeah. How many non-disabled members. 00:24:35:10 - 00:24:36:16 Speaker 2 Close again? Trent. 00:24:36:16 - 00:24:40:13 Speaker 2 Like, exactly. Yeah. 00:24:40:16 - 00:24:47:15 Speaker 1 All right. Which are which group had a member when a country music award in 2019. 00:24:47:17 - 00:25:09:13 Speaker 2 Oh. Had a member. So does is Trent the only member of Nine Inch Nails or the other Guys member. Well, okay. A country music award in 2019. Yeah. Okay. So I don't see any of the Black Ships doing it, maybe Fergie, but I'm going to go with Nine Inch Nails. 00:25:09:15 - 00:25:11:25 Speaker 1 You are correct. So, 00:25:11:25 - 00:25:21:03 Speaker 1 this was a country music award for a musical event of the year, and the song is Old Town Road by Little NAS X. 00:25:21:05 - 00:25:23:22 Speaker 2 Okay. So he was like a producer on it. 00:25:23:25 - 00:25:30:15 Speaker 1 Well, so what he did and this is kind of interesting, I learned about. So he had an album and I guess the mid 2000 called ghosts, 00:25:30:15 - 00:25:34:09 Speaker 1 and it's like one through four. And he created this album and there, 00:25:34:09 - 00:25:39:24 Speaker 1 he created them for like, creative common use. Like, anyone can use the music, anyone can use the tracks for a nonprofit. 00:25:39:24 - 00:25:41:09 Speaker 1 It's free to use. 00:25:41:09 - 00:25:45:24 Speaker 1 it's a ton of songs. It's kind of a reaction. I think he had to like the industry at the time and like, you know, 00:25:45:24 - 00:25:51:17 Speaker 1 the copyright law is dumb. And here's something you can do use this music. Well, is, 00:25:51:17 - 00:25:52:15 Speaker 1 some kind of producer, 00:25:52:15 - 00:25:54:09 Speaker 1 used one of his tracks. 00:25:54:09 - 00:25:57:23 Speaker 1 It's the beginning of Old Town Road where it's like the little guitar theme. 00:25:57:25 - 00:25:58:01 Speaker 2 Yeah. 00:25:58:01 - 00:26:03:16 Speaker 1 And he repurposed it, made it a beat. And then a little NAS X bought that, beat it for $30, 00:26:03:16 - 00:26:10:16 Speaker 1 And then he made it into a song. So once that came around and became big, you know, they put Trent as writer credits for this. 00:26:10:16 - 00:26:13:15 Speaker 1 And then it won. Music event of the year. 00:26:13:17 - 00:26:15:21 Speaker 2 Oh, well, there you go. 00:26:15:24 - 00:26:18:15 Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. It's such a such an interesting connection. 00:26:18:15 - 00:26:18:25 Speaker 2 Yeah. 00:26:18:25 - 00:26:28:16 Speaker 1 All right. Which music group was initially banned by a government decision from having Muslim fans attend one of their concerts in Malaysia. 00:26:28:16 - 00:26:38:03 Speaker 2 They were banned from having Muslim fans attend. Oh, man. Malaysia. 00:26:38:03 - 00:26:38:21 Speaker 2 That's, 00:26:38:21 - 00:26:42:19 Speaker 2 Was Nine Inch Nails traveling to Malaysia? 00:26:42:19 - 00:26:44:04 Speaker 2 Probably. 00:26:44:04 - 00:26:46:06 Speaker 2 I'm going to go with Black Eyed Peas actually here. 00:26:46:08 - 00:26:54:25 Speaker 1 Yeah. You're right. In 2009, Malaysia banned Muslim citizens from attending their show over sponsorship by an alcohol brand. 00:26:54:28 - 00:26:56:11 Speaker 2 They know. Yeah, I think that. 00:26:56:11 - 00:26:59:03 Speaker 1 Makes a kind of connection where it's not really related to them, but, 00:26:59:03 - 00:27:00:09 Speaker 1 something that they did. 00:27:00:11 - 00:27:02:28 Speaker 2 Yeah, yeah. 00:27:03:01 - 00:27:04:03 Speaker 1 You kind of figured this out, 00:27:04:03 - 00:27:13:19 Speaker 1 with the CMA question, but which band eventually added Atticus Ross as an official permanent member in 2016? 00:27:13:22 - 00:27:15:10 Speaker 2 Yeah. That's definitely not Inch Nails. 00:27:15:10 - 00:27:24:19 Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. So you figured it out when you're like, Nine Inch Nails. Have any other members? Atticus did join in 2016 to now they're definitely a two member band at the very minimum. 00:27:24:21 - 00:27:27:23 Speaker 2 Yeah. Well, I, I recall Atticus is his name from, 00:27:27:23 - 00:27:30:19 Speaker 2 our Perfect Drug music video because he came up in that one. 00:27:30:19 - 00:27:37:14 Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he's basically, I feel like he's the go to guy that he always collaborates when, when he does soundtracks. 00:27:37:14 - 00:27:38:28 Speaker 1 Yeah. Social network. 00:27:38:28 - 00:27:40:19 Speaker 1 the tennis one from last year never saw. 00:27:40:19 - 00:27:41:05 Speaker 2 Yeah. With 00:27:41:05 - 00:27:42:06 Speaker 2 Yeah, I know with one you talking about. 00:27:42:06 - 00:27:45:16 Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Someone will remember and mention that to us. 00:27:45:16 - 00:27:51:21 Speaker 1 All right, well, that's it for the trivia. I think you hit almost all of them, but one. So great job. 00:27:51:24 - 00:27:58:06 Speaker 2 Yeah. It was. Yeah. So because we've done so much research into Nine Inch Nails from the Perfect Drug podcast, it, 00:27:58:06 - 00:28:07:24 Speaker 2 certainly helped. Speaking of which, if you haven't heard that one, that was in our best of 1997, because like one of our first published episodes. Yeah. 00:28:07:24 - 00:28:11:01 Speaker 2 So yeah, go back, check that one out. Perfect drug and amazing music video. 00:28:11:01 - 00:28:15:17 Speaker 2 And I have to say, the podcast episode. It's even better than the video. 00:28:15:20 - 00:28:17:15 Speaker 1 Yes, definitely. Agreed. 00:28:17:22 - 00:28:20:04 Speaker 2 I'd be lying. But you know. 00:28:20:04 - 00:28:21:26 Speaker 2 Thank you to Holden, who, 00:28:21:26 - 00:28:23:14 Speaker 2 sent in the request for this one. 00:28:23:14 - 00:28:26:23 Speaker 2 he pointed out that we should do a, 00:28:26:23 - 00:28:38:03 Speaker 2 podcast for both closer censored version and uncensored version. I think it kind of worked better for us to just do it as a whole and kind of talk about the differences, but awesome recommendation. 00:28:38:03 - 00:28:43:09 Speaker 2 Absolutely. It's a great video. Right? But, thank you, Holden, for sending that in. And by all means, if, 00:28:43:09 - 00:28:47:20 Speaker 2 anybody else out there, if you have like a video that you think we should cover, send it in to us. 00:28:47:20 - 00:28:50:14 Speaker 2 You can send it in through Instagram, through, 00:28:50:14 - 00:28:53:07 Speaker 2 TikTok. Can I send it in through TikTok? Yep. 00:28:53:09 - 00:28:54:15 Speaker 2 Adam's our TikTok guy. 00:28:54:18 - 00:28:55:18 Speaker 1 And YouTube. 00:28:55:20 - 00:28:58:13 Speaker 2 Yeah. And send it in through YouTube. Add a comment on the YouTube. 00:28:58:13 - 00:28:59:24 Speaker 2 And, you know, you can always, 00:28:59:24 - 00:29:02:26 Speaker 2 go to our website, rewind and react and contact us there. 00:29:02:26 - 00:29:05:04 Speaker 1 Yeah, yeah. Thanks again Holden 00:29:05:05 - 00:29:13:15 Speaker 1 So that's all we have for this today's episode. So thanks for listening to Rewind and React. Make sure to like and subscribe as I should. 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